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Post by Xiāo Lan on Oct 8, 2013 0:08:14 GMT -5
Just applying jutsu for a character I'm aiming to bring back to this current timeline. Tsukanshou [Earth Shattering Palm]Unranked A fighting style once belonging to the Four Gates school of martial arts, which ceased to be after the First Shinobi War, though their techniques passed on. Utilizing Doton Chakra, practitioners in this discipline are able to freely manipulate the structural integrity of objects, empowering or dissolving the physical resistance on touch. Offensively, it can allow feats for the user to shatter stone, bend metal, and add massive impact to the physical body, even if they do not have the overwhelming physical strength to perform such on a natural basis. Even allow swift applications of Doton related Nintaijutsu to add punishing impact to strikes and manuevers. In physical application Tsukanshou is a soft martial art, with a multitude of the legwork and routine based on receiving the momentum of the opponent to be used against them in the manner of parries, holds, riposte, and counter offensives. All the movements are seamless to hide the subtle and suddenly explosive power unleashed through built up momentum and "long fighting" through wide kicks and sweeps, making it a surprising and difficult to anticipate style, complimented even further by long steeping footwork and acrobatics to close the gap between opponents nearly immediately and beyond the veil of their guard. Tentochi [Heaven and Earth]
C-rank
A technique using the earth element and of the Tsukanshou[Earth Shattering Palm] martial art . By striking the ground, usually with the hand or foot that is charged with Earth Natured Chakra, the user can send out a small human sized wall of the ground's composition to be used as an offensive or intercept attacks. The chakra within the wall is short lived, and as such losses its supernatural level of durability after a few moments
Chijin [Man and Earth]
C-rank
A technique using the Earth Element and of the Tsukanshou[Earth Shattering Palm] martial art . By striking the ground, usually with the hand or foot that is charged with Earth Natured chakra, the user can send out a short linear tremor of kinetic energy, capable of re-shaping the ground or knocking opponents off-balance.
Taiyōyobichikyū [Sun and Earth]
C-rank
A harmonious usage of the Tsukanshou[Earth Shattering Palm] martial art in the manner of weakening the property of an earthly substance, then quickly following up with Katon natured chakra in conjunction with the technique after impact, allowing the user to conjure a forward cone explosion of hot earthly fragments, akin to a shotgun blast or other heated materials by immediately breaking down the substance, and then rapidly heating such in its weakened composition. Combined with the natural fluidity of the fighting style, this technique is great for surprise maneuvers as the method is both quick in execution and unorthodox.
Haitsuchi [Ashes and Earth]
C-rank
A technique using the earth element and of the Tsukanshou[Earth Shattering Palm] martial art. After striking the ground, the user covers their hands and/or feet in solid gloves/boots of rock for additional pummeling power. Fortified with chakra, the user is cabable of delivering punishing blows with each strike. With a quick application of Katon Natured chakra, though disabling the technique, allows the earthly armaments to explode in a frontal cone of heated rocks and debris.
Tenshinchigi [God and Earth]
C-Rank
A technique using the earth element and of the Tsukanshou[Earth Shattering Palm] martial art. A defensive technique, by striking the ground and manipulating it's structural integrity, the user gathers around themselves a thin layer of gravel, enforced by chakra to provide concrete protection against physical blows and strikes. A chakra intensive maneuver, maintaining the armor requires chakra, with the durability and strength reliant on how much energy is committed to the technique.
Nikuchi [Flesh and Earth]
C-rank
A technique using the earth element and of the Tsukanshou[Earth Shattering Palm] martial art. Upon grabing hold of an object or opponent, the user quickly weakens the earthen integrity of whatever is in their grasp, using Doton to weaken the mineral composition to render what they have in their grasp brittle and malleable. Thus one is able to effortlessly push through solid stone, bend metal, or crush bones upon taking a hold of an object.
Tsuchinikaeru [Return to Earth]
B-rank
An execution art of the Tsukanshou[Earth Shattering Palm] martial art. By concentrating a hefty portion of chakra, signature to the unique manipulation of Doton, and then striking the opponent(commonly with both hands), the user lets forth a saturated blast upon impact that severally weakens the composition of the body. Coupled by the kinetic energy of the impact, and the integrity of the body being severally weakened, could leave to serious harm to the opponent. Those of weaker constitution may have the hands entering and exiting through the body. Ryuippo [Dragon Step]UnrankedA Style of movement utilized by Xiāo Lan. Using the adhesive properties of chakra when utilized in the manner of Tree/Wall Climbing, Xiāo Lan maximizes high speed movement in the apex where she can utilize the highest amount of physical speed, yet without overshooting the target and/or harming herself in the process. The training in this style has rewarded her with notable speed, even sans the application of this style, though it is dramatically increased when maneuvering the field of battle in such a way. |
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Post by Tou-kun on Oct 8, 2013 14:50:48 GMT -5
Sun and Earth cannot use two chakra natures at once. that would make it a KG.
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Post by Xiāo Lan on Oct 8, 2013 22:59:27 GMT -5
My wording is off. Would it work if the user applied Katon after-not simultaneously, with Doton? |
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Post by D on Oct 9, 2013 2:05:30 GMT -5
That'd be fine. I kind am iffy on how quickly she can succeed the two blows because of the time it would take to mold a chakra of a completely different nature. However, I don't see this technique killing anyone or anything, so I'm willing to overlook it.
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Post by Xiāo Lan on Jan 15, 2014 0:17:07 GMT -5
Did jutsu edits and added additional techniques.
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Post by Masahige on Jan 15, 2014 18:00:50 GMT -5
Tentochi: Denied. If your fighting style is about weakening the integrity of earth, then I'm not seeing where it can create a moving wall that acts as a strong defensive structure. If you want this, then make it a separate ninjutsu. Haitsuchi: Denied. The purpose of this style is deconstruction, not construction. If you want something like this, register naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Earth_Release:_Fist_Rock_Technique and a variant for boots. But I don't see the katon application working here, either. Causing something to explode while it's on your body, even if it's going away from the body, will still hurt you. Tenshinchigi: Denied for the same reason as those above. You're style is about deconstruction, not construction and strong defensive abilities. Nikuchi: This would not work on people unless they're made of rocks. I also don't see this effortlessly allowing you to push through stone or bend metal. Your fighting style releases chakra on the moment of impact, not continuously as you touch something. Tsuchinikaeru: Denied. This would not work on people unless they're made of rocks. Ryuippo: From what I understand, all this does in mean practicing water walking and tree walking made this person faster somehow? I don't get it. I honestly do not understand what this description means. |
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Post by Xiāo Lan on Jan 15, 2014 19:39:14 GMT -5
Adjusted the basis of the martial art to be more encompassing and fixed some terminology errors I had with the technique itself.
About the jutsu harming the user. It's not like a grenade like explosion. It's heating the rocks and then firing them away from the body. I don't see that hurting the user nor more than breathing fire doesn't set the lungs ablaze, Landmine Fist doesn't shatter the person's shoulder, and Lightning Armor isn't frying internal organs.
Human beings do have mineral composition and structural integrity, which would allow for bones/flesh/etc to weaken or strengthen, depending on the application of this technique.
Ryuippo. In my mind, or at least the way I was told, there's only so fast a ninja can go in matters like direct combat, if they were using something like the Shunshin, or otherwise they're overshooting their target, don't have control of their movements, or risk harming themselves. This jutsu is designed to counter that ideology by having Lan able to push herself as fast as possible, but having the traction to adjust and change the trajectory of her maneuvers as quickly as possible.
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Post by Masahige on Jan 15, 2014 19:45:26 GMT -5
Humans do have mineral composition, but you can't use Doton to control other people or parts of other people. You can do this to yourself, but not to other people.
Any ninja can move at their top speed and still control their movements. Unless this is supposed to be going as fast as Shunshin? In which case that's not possible without opening the gates.
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Post by Xiāo Lan on Jan 15, 2014 21:19:11 GMT -5
But by that logic then the Hyuga Taijutsu, by design, shouldn't be able to assault internal organs.
There's nothing concrete(pun not intended) that says the composition of another cannot be manipulated. If Doton is based on earth, earth relating to minerals, and it's been proven that Doton can effect the density/strength of objects, then it simply-by that line of thinking, should apply to others.
There's no invisible barrier or rule of law that says it shouldn't. If it can apply to myself, then 'why' can't it apply to others?
The jutsu is not supposed to be going as fast as Shunshin, but it is to explain having precision control at the apex of high speed movements. It's like putting enough energy that, minus the technique, where you would otherwise overshoot the target because of the velocity, you're able to stop instead. Thus allowing you to put much more kinetic energy and travel speed between distances.
I don't see why I would need to open the gates to “go as fast as Shunshin” when you're able to utilize Shunshin 'without' opening the gates in the first place.
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Post by Masahige on Jan 15, 2014 21:35:56 GMT -5
No... that logic has nothing to do with the Hyuga Taijutsu. They are not changing the makeup of another person's body.
4% of the human body's mass is made up of minerals. This is not enough to justify using Doton to affect their bodies like this.
I said you could use it on yourself only we've seen people use Doton to make their bodies strong (Tou having a clan that can absorb minerals into their body, or Kakuzu with his technique).
But never has anybody been able to Doton another person's body into being frail. If you want to crush bones with a punch, make a physically dominant character. But even then, character in Naruto are constantly shown to be physically resilient. This technique is an excuse to one-shot other characters into submission.
The meaning was that you'd have to open the gates to go as fast and Shunshin and be able to change direction while moving. But as far as the technique is concerned how you described it, you don't even need to register this. It's something all ninja can do.
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Post by Xiāo Lan on Jan 15, 2014 22:00:08 GMT -5
So it being unique makes it impossible? I'm going to be bold enough to say a good part of this board demonstrates skills that we “haven't seen” in canon or the extended universe just yet.
See, what part does it justify that the opposite can't be done? If you can make yourself stronger via Doton, and you can make things less/more dense, why can't you do things offensively?
If we're taking the literal mineral composition percentage of humans into this, than any Doton technique that grants increased durability should warrant nothing. Shoot if we took any manipulation of earth to it's real life comparisons and applied it to it's actual strength, versus what you see in Naruto (Gaara's Sand armor for example), they'd fail exponentially.
If you're afraid of me using it to one-shot people, that's not the intent. Even the “execution” style jutsu of the martial art only applies to people who aren't physically adept. It would make attacks "hurt" more, and this petite woman would be able to leave bruises on juggernauts, but no, it's not one-shotting anyone.
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Post by Masahige on Jan 15, 2014 22:12:50 GMT -5
Being impossible makes it impossible.
The human body is not a chunk of rock. You cannot manipulate the inner workings of the human body with Doton.
Doton has been used to make people stronger only by giving them a rock gauntlet and using that to attack. Never has anybody else, in canon, used Doton to strengthen the composition of their body. Even Kakuzu's technique just gave him a rocky exterior. Tou's technique absorbed minerals from the earth (which would be the only instance where your technique might be effective on people).
I was also reminded that the only people ever shown manipulating bones in any way were the Kaguya, and they needed a KG to do it. Any nobody on the site is going to be manipulating bones.
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Post by Xiāo Lan on Jan 15, 2014 23:02:20 GMT -5
If there was a rule of law that said it was impossible, yes, it would make it impossible, but just tossing around arbitrary claims without anything concrete and just speculation ≠ fact.
Fact: Doton has been shown to increase another durability.
Fact: Doton has been shown to freely manipulate density.
Based on those facts, I see no reason why the reverse isn't true. There's nothing in Naruto that either explicitly states, implies, or suggests otherwise. Nothing.
Not in the Databooks.
Not from the abilities seen from other characters.
Not from explanations provided from other characters.
Kakuzu's Earth Spear did not give him a Rocky exterior. His limbs/skin turned black, which had the strength of diamonds. The hardest martial known. No rocks covered him. No absorbing of materials. Just Black. Diamond. Pain Train.
Kaguya manipulated more than just bone strength, thus their KG. I'm not going to divulge into reasons why that doesn't apply to here.
Thus the question is:
If you can make things stronger with Doton.
If you can make things less/more dense with Doton.
Why can't you make things weaker, with Doton?
Which I suppose I answered my own question considering less density is proportionate to strength in 'most' applications.
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Post by Masahige on Jan 15, 2014 23:13:46 GMT -5
I'm tired of arguing this. Denied. You cannot manipulate another person's body with Doton. If you want another opinion, ask Tou.
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Post by Tou-kun on Jan 16, 2014 17:50:02 GMT -5
... If Doton is earth manipulation and he's arguing that he's manipulating minerals in the bones of people to lessen their... stabilityness, that is in line with Doton. Just like Raiton can affect nerves, Doton can affect bones and shit, I would think.
This all being said... you all just got into an argument about a technique that I already approved when he first put up this thread. Smh.
Just don't go oneshotting people for lulz. Then we have a problem, Shimada.
Carry on.
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