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Post by Tou-kun on Jan 18, 2011 18:10:01 GMT -5
Too many people have been claiming to be worthy of stuff they shouldn't be having off the bat because they're "specialists" and whatnot. And I know that I'm the one who implemented the system, but some of yous are misinterpreting it. Being a specialist, regardless of rank, does not mean you can apply for jutsu outside of your rank's limit off the bat.
Furthermore, no one can claim to be of a skill level above their given rank without the inherent supremacy of position or by the discretion of the staff. You and your friends can claim to be the cool kids on the block, but you're NOT until you prove it. Make use of the development board.
I'm leaving this in discussions because I want to hear what yous have to say about this.
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Post by Ken. on Jan 18, 2011 18:31:04 GMT -5
While I do agree with it being wrong that folks are trying to register things above their rank just because they specialize in something, I do have a question about it though.
What about the groups around here like the Konoha's Hosho, Shinobigatana or Kumo's special group(s)? If I'm sure I read what I read, in the description it does say they are the "elite" or "betters" amongst the regular fold. I know no one is above this or that, but if the description does say they are top notch, so wouldn't they have something a bit above the curb?
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Post by Sandy on Jan 18, 2011 18:34:15 GMT -5
I agree that being accepted into a village's various special groups is deserving of something extra, provided these characters are scrutinized by the person who operates those groups. Whether or not the jutsu staff shares my opinion is up for grabs, however. |
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Post by Tou-kun on Jan 18, 2011 18:36:48 GMT -5
Depends on the special groups. Anyone can say a group is elite, but it's different when they actually aren't. As far as the canon elite groups go, I'm willing to accept them off the bat as deserving of more, an always have. But the custom ones I'm more wary of and will have to see them prove this eliteness IC before I go granting them leeway.
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Post by Kamizuru Kireme on Jan 18, 2011 18:44:37 GMT -5
I think it would be helpful if some guidelines were given in the Development board. I'm not from old Konaha, so I'm a bit confused on what is needed for these evolutions to a "elite" class, as well as what exactly is granted by having such a title, because to me it seems a bit vauge.
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Post by Tou-kun on Jan 18, 2011 18:52:22 GMT -5
Therith all your e's no "elite" rank. It's more or less doing IC things to be considered for greater jutsu and such. So if you're a Chunin, you apply with all your accomplishments and I'll let you know if you're racked up considerable fame and if you're eligible for any special consideration in jutsu.
Really, all you have to do is DO something.
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Post by Ken. on Jan 18, 2011 18:56:25 GMT -5
I see what you mean Tou. "Special" is a word used frequently and it doesn't seem to be going out of style any time soon. My only thought on that is that these "unique and outstanding" people really be specialists in their area of expertise. Also, to create a super jutsu, a large repertoire shouldn't be possible seeing as an A-rank technique should require years of practice and development. That's just my two-cents though.
The Development system is moreso like a list of accomplishments Enro. So things like defeating key characters on the board, performing multiple missions of high difficulty, and training or creating a jutsu belonging to and only that character. Things that would aid you in standing out against the majority to push your character's capabilities to a point where they would have to be recognized.
As for what is granted, I would guess the right to make jutsu and perform actions above that of regular folk as the title "genius" would mean(not trying to sound jerkish by the by).
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Post by rainbow on Jan 18, 2011 19:19:16 GMT -5
Okay, I'm curious. By this, Tou, do you mean that Genin are trying to register Jounin level techniques?
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Post by Tou-kun on Jan 18, 2011 19:25:49 GMT -5
Some have. It's not isolated to Genin. It spans all ranks.
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Post by ❅Yukiko❅ on Jan 18, 2011 19:57:16 GMT -5
Too many people have been claiming to be worthy of stuff they shouldn't be having off the bat because they're "specialists" and whatnot. And I know that I'm the one who implemented the system, but some of yous are misinterpreting it. Being a specialist, regardless of rank, does not mean you can apply for jutsu outside of your rank's limit off the bat. Furthermore, no one can claim to be of a skill level above their given rank without the inherent supremacy of position or by the discretion of the staff. You and your friends can claim to be the cool kids on the block, but you're NOT until you prove it. Make use of the development board. I'm leaving this in discussions because I want to hear what yous have to say about this.
So, here are my thoughts. With the whole idea of "specialists", obviously with a Tokujo they would get a slight reprieve on what you are saying here, correct? Seeing as they are one of the best at the specific thing that they specialize in.
Also, in my personal opinion Jonin should have separate ranks like they did in V1 before we got rid of the whole affinity system. Obviously that was not the worst idea in the world, but when it became the end all of end all's in decision making things had gotten a little out of hand. However, maybe we should try that specifically as a guideline, with a twist. There were Advance Jonin, Elite Jonin and Genius Jonin(not sure if I got that in the right order), mayhap we have these different levels exist for people above Genin rank. In case you do not get what I am saying I mean like Advance,Elite, and Genius Chunin, Tokujo etc...
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Post by odawara mamoru on Jan 18, 2011 21:29:27 GMT -5
Too many people have been claiming to be worthy of stuff they shouldn't be having off the bat because they're "specialists" and whatnot. And I know that I'm the one who implemented the system, but some of yous are misinterpreting it. Being a specialist, regardless of rank, does not mean you can apply for jutsu outside of your rank's limit off the bat. Furthermore, no one can claim to be of a skill level above their given rank without the inherent supremacy of position or by the discretion of the staff. You and your friends can claim to be the cool kids on the block, but you're NOT until you prove it. Make use of the development board. I'm leaving this in discussions because I want to hear what yous have to say about this.
So, here are my thoughts. With the whole idea of "specialists", obviously with a Tokujo they would get a slight reprieve on what you are saying here, correct? Seeing as they are one of the best at the specific thing that they specialize in.
Also, in my personal opinion Jonin should have separate ranks like they did in V1 before we got rid of the whole affinity system. Obviously that was not the worst idea in the world, but when it became the end all of end all's in decision making things had gotten a little out of hand. However, maybe we should try that specifically as a guideline, with a twist. There were Advance Jonin, Elite Jonin and Genius Jonin(not sure if I got that in the right order), mayhap we have these different levels exist for people above Genin rank. In case you do not get what I am saying I mean like Advance,Elite, and Genius Chunin, Tokujo etc...
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Post by -; J ;- on Jan 18, 2011 21:38:08 GMT -5
There is a reason those ranks aren't around anymore. RP became more about fighting here, because all people wanted were higher ranks.
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Post by ❅Yukiko❅ on Jan 19, 2011 2:07:28 GMT -5
There is a reason those ranks aren't around anymore. RP became more about fighting here, because all people wanted were higher ranks. Wait... they want more than higher ranks now?! |
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Post by Hanzae on Jan 19, 2011 7:31:01 GMT -5
No Yukiko. They WANTED higher ranks. Which is why they aren't here anymore.
EDIT: My previous question was answered before. Didn't read, my bad.
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Post by Dō on Jan 19, 2011 17:02:16 GMT -5
Well, regarding Tokubetsu Jōnin-- you're probably confused as to what it means for one of them to be a specialist. Tokubetsu Jōnin aren't in that rank for specializing in Ninjutus, Genjutsu, or Taijutsu. They're specialists in tracking, stealth, torture, etc.
Regarding groups-- I'm not jumping that. I feel the only group with members worth calling amazing is the Shinobigatana, because it's a specialized group. It's specifically the best swordsmen of the Hidden Mist. If it's a specialized group, I could sit there and regard them as the best in whatever all day. But if it's a group with a mix, it all depends on RP ability. Thus, being in a group shouldn't be considered. In my opinion, anyway.
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Post by Katsuo on Jan 19, 2011 17:44:11 GMT -5
Seems there's a few groups out there that are canonly stated to be elite. Perhaps it's worth having members who manage to join said groups to apply for an 'elite' status (as joining said group implies) through the development channels?
Even the ANBU are meant to be composed of 'specialized, highly skilled shinobi'. But the sheer amount of them is likely making that organization somewhat lessened in its potency. Perhaps it's also worth having limits on certain factions, making the approval process IC, as opposed to being stated in a history?
I also think the lack of canon characters has opened up a can of worms, in a way. People see no canons, and figure it would be nice to be considered an OC-canon - yet, only leaders of villages are considered for that status, so you have a bunch of players who want to mean something to the community with their characters, but end up instead with a sea of characters that are all standing in a line saying 'Village hero #xxxxxx'...
Maybe it's worth having a select amount of characters per village who could be considered 'OC canon'? And this list can swap and shift, on a similar method for the village Kage - if someone is an OC-canon, and they leave for 2 months randomly, they get replaced until another position on said list opens and they can re-apply?
It might give some people something to strive toward, and give those who are accepted a little bubbly feeling of importance.
I'm not sure.
At the end of the day, I'm here to RP, and if I can work toward attaining some sort of rank/position IC, I'll get it done as I can.
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Post by odawara mamoru on Jan 19, 2011 18:28:22 GMT -5
You can't limit factions (I assume you're trying to say ranks and/or positions) because of the sheer amount of people on this board and their multiple, seemingly endless amounts of characters.
Yes, with the two previous wars here, people are going to want to compare themselves to the greats like Salamander Hanzo, the Sannin, the Ame kids and whoever, claiming their awesome in their respected villages. You can't stop them, really, unless Character Applications became way more strict (won't happen). But again, that's all self-proclaimed stuff (excluding Kage and Lords).
While its fine if people self proclaim their characters as elite, If you want to be actually seen and regarded site-wide as an elite, be compared to some of the strongest canons in the Narutoverse, compared to Kage both Canon and Custom, feel important, or whatever, then go achieve something IC. Too many people want to put in as much little effort as humanly possible and obtain the biggest rewards. That's not going to fly here.
ANYONE can claim their guy is the best, strongest, has the best chakra control, and whatever, though few people will ever actually show it through character progression. If you're not willing to put forth the effort IC, then you don't deserve whatever you're trying to obtain.
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Post by NAOTO on Jan 19, 2011 18:35:50 GMT -5
You can't limit factions (I assume you're trying to say ranks and/or positions) because of the sheer amount of people on this board and their multiple, seemingly endless amounts of characters. Yes, with the two previous wars here, people are going to want to compare themselves to the greats like Salamander Hanzo, the Sannin, the Ame kids and whoever, claiming their awesome in their respected villages. You can't stop them, really, unless Character Applications became way more strict (won't happen). But again, that's all self-proclaimed stuff (excluding Kage and Lords). While its fine if people self proclaim their characters as elite, If you want to be actually seen and regarded site-wide as an elite, be compared to some of the strongest canons in the Narutoverse, compared to Kage both Canon and Custom, feel important, or whatever, then go achieve something IC. Too many people want to put in as much little effort as humanly possible and obtain the biggest rewards. That's not going to fly here. ANYONE can claim their guy is the best, strongest, has the best chakra control, and whatever, though few people will ever actually show it through character progression. If you're not willing to put forth the effort IC, then you don't deserve whatever you're trying to obtain. ~Like~ ~Agrees~ |
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Post by Katsuo on Jan 19, 2011 18:53:50 GMT -5
You can't limit factions (I assume you're trying to say ranks and/or positions) because of the sheer amount of people on this board and their multiple, seemingly endless amounts of characters. ...Perhaps it's also worth having limits on certain factions, making the approval process IC, as opposed to being stated in a history? I didn't say to issue a cut off number on organizational numbers/members. I suggested to make the application process IC - so people have to work toward it, and there isn't that initial flood of ANBU (for example) accepted characters off the bat. Besides, it was just a suggestion. |
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