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Post by Arisato Ein on Feb 9, 2011 14:35:55 GMT -5
I dislike the idea of Face Claims. The only way someone has ANY place in deciding whether someone uses an image that they're using or not is if they, themselves drew that original image. Modification isn't an issue because most modify an image to where it is clearly no longer resembles the character it was originally intended to be (eg. Kanna, because when I made Shenhua on V1, I wasn't even aware that Kanna's image was a modified Mitsuru, that's how well it was edited) We're all using somebody else's work. It takes some pretty big balls to tell someone else that they can't steal the work you've already stolen. Simply because you stole it first.
Someone else using your image? Sucks. Get over it. Why does it matter? Unless both those characters also have the same name, I don't see why. Half the time, the character is (word) descriptively different from the photo in some way or another. I certainly hope we're not assuming that ICly, these characters are perfect carbon copy clones of one another, clothing and weapons and hairstyle and hitai-ate (if there is one in the photo), if they do in some way shape or form happen to end up in the same thread. It's not a matter of it being hard to look up someone else on the internet. If someone really wants to use an image, they shouldn't be blocked from it just because someone else already beat them to the punch. It's really not that important.
And I personally, for one, think everyone should stop gangbanging Osy's work. *shrug*
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Post by Professor Badass!! on Feb 9, 2011 15:13:20 GMT -5
Shimada, I agree with you.
But do you really believe that this is worth arguing over?
You state that having a face claim is egocentric. But starting up a discussion attempting to prove that you are right and they are wrong is also egocentric.
In short, while your premise is "Don't do this because it's an egocentric thing to do." You are also stroking your ego at the same time.
Are you kidding me?
How am I flaunting ego on having a discussion on a premise that I think is immature? If a person has a discussion on how Shunshin works on the site are epeen’s getting hard enough to cut diamonds?
Shoo, and next time you feel like exercising that grey matter for discussion, rather than a piss-poor attempt to reverse my points into absurdity, let me know. I’ll be more than willing to give a damn.
::micdrop::
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Post by Tenshi Kanna on Feb 9, 2011 15:45:21 GMT -5
This is a discussion. Keep it civil, please and thank you. That goes for everyone.
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Post by Nonohana Geki on Feb 9, 2011 18:15:49 GMT -5
-Face Claims do not belong to people. Yes, it is nice if you change it because someone else has it, but it is not a big deal.
-If you are that bothered by it, talk to the person, maim his character, etc.
^Two mature and logical ways to go about this without any real arguing.
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Post by Ken. on Feb 9, 2011 18:24:23 GMT -5
....Proboards should rip off Facebook and add a "like" button... >_>
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Post by Shoko Nimori on Feb 9, 2011 19:47:03 GMT -5
I'm all for the use of face claims. I see a number of you don't like the idea of restricting people from using certain images based on face claims, so how about if it's just a tally of who has been used? A list of face claims. If more then one person is using the same face claim, two or more character names go beside it instead of one. If anything, it could help people who dislike using a face claim that's already been used, but they didn't know beforehand. So they don't waste time getting images and find out later that someone already used that face claim. Like I've done. Twice.
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Post by Professor Badass!! on Feb 9, 2011 19:50:57 GMT -5
^This, if we have do anything.
It doesn't restrict anyone from using a already "claimed" face while at the same time providing at least a principle deterant to saying "Well, it has been done before."
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Post by Hanzae on Feb 10, 2011 5:44:20 GMT -5
Are you kidding me?
How am I flaunting ego on having a discussion on a premise that I think is immature? If a person has a discussion on how Shunshin works on the site are epeen’s getting hard enough to cut diamonds?
Shoo, and next time you feel like exercising that grey matter for discussion, rather than a piss-poor attempt to reverse my points into absurdity, let me know. I’ll be more than willing to give a damn.
::micdrop::
I am not.
Your reaction to my comment in itself is immature. Why would anyone believe that you are mature?
A face claim idea is not egotistical, it is a means of identifying a character as being unique.
How is that immature? How is it any more mature that there are no face claims?
Your identification is this:
Face claims = Immature concept / Excuse for having an exclusive image to identify with.
Therefore, anyone who believes that face claims should exist are less mature than you.
You have a right to an opinion, but it doesn't make it any less valid that your statement is egotistical in and of itself.
And frankly I agree that people should be allowed to choose their character identity without limits, since after all, this is a roleplay and we are all trying to be escapists. I just think that the way you go about speaking will incite arguments and needless conflict on the site.
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Post by Yamada Tan on Feb 10, 2011 9:06:07 GMT -5
It's a picture. Somebody is going to use it. Deal with it.
Just know that if you snag from me, your character will die. EZPZ.
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Post by Professor Badass!! on Feb 10, 2011 10:16:35 GMT -5
Hanzae, if we want to turn this into a debate of maturity I should point out that you were the first and until my reply the second page later the only person in this entire thread that went to meager lengths to call out anyone specifically. This whole thing was talking about the rights/wrongs of face claims. You wanted to make a call out on my character, intentions, what have you. So really, stop.
That’s all you had to say, actually the only thing I honestly care for you to say really. Anything else, if you wanted to make an exclusive point could have been settled between me and you privately. But if you want this to have an audience-fine with me, but let’s not fake the funk that if we want to BS about inciting “needless conflict” then well, you did help this fire; metaphorically speaking of course.
Now. Let me wrap this up.
The fascination with being unique is a self-centered concept. It’s the flavor of originality, like sticking a dove in a flock of crows. I don’t need to bash you with bad metaphors and imagery that people go through great lengths for the satisfaction of having authentic presence on the board. Face claims add on to it. They supplement that single identity that is prevented from being duplicated in any shape, manner, or form.
They only satisfy one person. You know what ego refers to? Self-admiration, self-confidence, self-glorification, self-love, self-regard, self-respect, self-satisfaction, self-sufficiency, self-trust, self-worth.
So a principle that only benefits one person, that’s intended to make one person more unique, that gives the self-satisfaction of being original, that prevents many from utilizing the same one image that one person has claimed ≠ Egocentric?
C’mon. No one is being fooled.
I said the principle of face claims is like a kid in the sandbox, claiming it all and not sharing with the others. Little kids who don’t know better do that. Children who don’t recognize it’s not their sand to own personally and bar it from any other toddler to play with is well-do I dare use the flavor word of the day? Immature. The internet/forum is a pretty big sandbox. But those are not your images, unless you create them, to say “lolno u cant uz n00b!”
As Russki said. It takes pretty big balls to tell someone “no, you can’t I stole it first.”
Find where in my post did I say or imply that? Actually, no, don’t bother. Because I didn’t. In all my posts I attack the idea, concept, logic, and reasoning behind the little face claim debacle. Not the person. That’s like saying if I said your favorite band was stupid you additionally must also be stupid.
Really, spend more time making a point that pertains to the topic than trying to undermine my character. It's boring.
Now, I’m done with you here. If you want to take this exchange further, my PM box, you got my AIM, some of the members have my cell-phone number they can pass to you. Holla at ya boi. I gets money.
Otherwise, let’s get this discussion back on track…if there’s anything left to be had.
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Post by Tou-kun on Feb 10, 2011 15:12:23 GMT -5
It's more trouble than it's worth. Eventually, it's another database to check crap against and if there's a slip up, another reason for people to freak out. I, as staff, personally wouldn't take up the idea.
As a member, and one who has been jacked quite often at that, you just need to learn to deal with it. I registered Isu on this site, and literally in that same week someone else used Musashi. So what? My scrotum didn't explode. Isu's still there, his character is still there and it generally doesn't affect ANYTHING other than someone's hurt pride and ego. It's just a character image. There are tons of other stuff to worry about.
Now I am going to say this once. I don't want to see any personal quarrels and bullshit put into this thread. AKA, Hanzae and Shimada, no more back and forth or the two of you will be removed from the discussion. No questions asked.
Carry on.
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Post by Uchiha Shinji on Feb 10, 2011 21:40:49 GMT -5
And I personally, for one, think everyone should stop gangbanging Osy's work. *shrug* But it feels so good! He does have some sickkk pics though...
It's a picture. Somebody is going to use it. Deal with it. Just know that if you snag from me, your character will die. EZPZ. ^LMFAO Is tempted to take Zetsu up on his offer...
What if someone uses the same pic as one of the Kages or something from the same village? How is your character supposed to differentiate a shinobi from another village who resembles the picture of that village's Kage that your character's seen exactly? Or if you are hunting a rogue "from his description" and your character comes across a character who looks exactly like them? ICly, your character would not know wtf is going on. Which would lead to one solution, metagaming (WHICH IS AGAINST THE RULES).
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Post by Professor Badass!! on Feb 10, 2011 21:58:27 GMT -5
What if someone uses the same pic as one of the Kages or something from the same village? How is your character supposed to differentiate a shinobi from another village who resembles the picture of that village's Kage that your character's seen exactly? Or if you are hunting a rogue "from his description" and your character comes across a character who looks exactly like them? ICly, your character would not know wtf is going on. Which would lead to one solution, metagaming (WHICH IS AGAINST THE RULES).
Unless both those characters also have the same name, I don't see why. Half the time, the character is (word) descriptively different from the photo in some way or another. I certainly hope we're not assuming that ICly, these characters are perfect carbon copy clones of one another, clothing and weapons and hairstyle and hitai-ate (if there is one in the photo), if they do in some way shape or form happen to end up in the same thread.
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Post by Hanzae on Feb 10, 2011 22:29:16 GMT -5
What I incited was in fact wrong. I apologise.
Now that it's over--
People should be given the right to choose whatever identification image they want.
I understand the importance of being unique, being special, or overall having an identity is special to you and you only. Like custom painted rims on a Hummer.
But restricting an image to a single person seems extremely selfish. "I have it so you can't."
But really, there's no reason that you can't have the same image as someone else and treat them as different looking people in character.
If you still wish to be unique, go choose another image that suits you, that's all there is to it. But don't expect to claim a monopoly over a single character in a series.
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Post by NAOTO on Feb 10, 2011 23:10:52 GMT -5
Actually, 80% of the time people dont describe clothing or anything different from the picture. They just slap'em on in there and leave it up to assumption. Just thought I'd point that out. ~Fades back into the shadows~
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Kato
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Post by Kato on Feb 11, 2011 7:12:17 GMT -5
Is Naoto from fire emblem?
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Post by Ðr. Tran on Feb 12, 2011 16:14:24 GMT -5
What if someone uses the same pic as one of the Kages or something from the same village? How is your character supposed to differentiate a shinobi from another village who resembles the picture of that village's Kage that your character's seen exactly? Or if you are hunting a rogue "from his description" and your character comes across a character who looks exactly like them? ICly, your character would not know wtf is going on. Which would lead to one solution, metagaming (WHICH IS AGAINST THE RULES). - At that point, since you in game dont know, you would do your job. If you were gung ho about catching a nukenin and came across someone that was their replica, it'd either be they are captured/killed and so on, or they convince you IC. Either way, thats not very likely to happen.
And as I previously stated, this is a silly discussion. You cant claim an image is yours and yours alone, unless you created it as in drew it yourself, not modified it to be just a fancy version of the original. See, now if someone was jacking someones art they were using for a character (Like my work being used for someone else's character) you could take offense at that and ask them to stop, thats about it. But if your basing your character's unique qualities on their appearance alone, then you clearly do not understand the concept of "character" itself. A character, no matter what clan they are in, who they look like, what they do, is always going to be unique, always going to be different then any other character out there. You may have similar abilities, images, shoes, whatever your still not that other person and hence your own unique character. So, the silliness of saying " Only I can use this and this image" is basically you submitting yourself to Idiocracy. Now go drink some Brawndo. Its the thirst mutilator.
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Post by the guardian on Feb 12, 2011 16:23:09 GMT -5
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Post by Tou-kun on Feb 12, 2011 16:41:17 GMT -5
For the first time in my life, and hopefully not the last time, I agree with D wholly and fully.
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